Water cooling...

[juGGernaut]

Thinking i am gonna venture into this, wanna start oc'ing again, and would like to start water cooling. Any 1 that has this or has done this, can you please state your pros and cons to water cooling, and maybe some systems you would recommend. Looking at a swiftec all in one system, and adding a vga and north bridge heatsink

[HSMagnet]

i would say check here (http://www.goblinarmy.com/community/showthread.php?t=1580)

get you some wiener help

[Armstrong]

I got all my water cooling stuff from www.performance-pcs.com. They have one of the biggest selections of computer mods and accessories Ive seen.

[Weinerlicious]

Being a 'user' so to speak, there are some important things:

Its an investment. Water cooling cost a lot to start with, but you should only have to upgrade small parts as you upgrade your system.
Larger fans on the radiators can run slower and quieter, resulting in a less noisey PC.
By using non conductive fluid, and spills won't kill your hardware.

The main thing is too read up on the subject alot, and make sure you've done your homework before taking the first step!

Hes the sort of setup thats typically recommended:

CPU - D-TeK FuZioN V2 or EK Supreme
GPU - D-TeK FuZioN V2 GPU with a UNI-Sink or a Swiftech MCW60 with sinks.
Chip - Swiftech MCW30
RAD - Thermochill PA120.2 or Swiftech MCR320 ( you can hang this off the back on your case using a radiator box which mounts onto a 120mm fan mount)
Res - T-Line or Bay-Res or Swiftech MicroRES
Pump - Laing DDC / Swiftech MC355 with aftermarket XSPC top
Tube - 7/16th Musketeer or 1/2" Tygon
and some hose clamps and fluid!

Thats based on you cooling a CPU, GPU and Chipset using 1/2" fittings.

[Lactose The Intolerant]

Ya make sure you do a lot of research and don't be afraid to ask questions
A good site i use for tech help and cooling/overclocking:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=70
and here is a good sticky from that site:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=54331

[Uthanak]

Meh, IDK...personally I would never use water cooling. IMO, it's not really all that much better than a big case with lots of airflow. All my stuff is over-clocked, dual vid cards that are over-clocked, etc. and i don't use water cooling. Never had a problem with anything over heating ( My case is the Cooler Master CMStacker 830 and I have 5 120MM fans in it), everything is nice and cool.

[Weinerlicious]

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k115/alexmanktelow/P1080074.jpg

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f266/Mankz_91/DSCF2898.jpg

It does look damn cool though. These are tje two previous incarnations of my PC, in 939 and 775 varieties. I now run Vista and a dual screen setup though.

[Armstrong]

WCing tends to take up a lot of room so make sure you have a pretty big case thats easy to work on. I put my WCed rig in an all acrylic case and while it looked amazing it was nearly impossible to add or remove parts without taking the whole thing apart.

[Lactose The Intolerant]

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f266/Mankz_91/DSCF2898.jpg


I have that exact same case:)
Except when i got it, it was a neon green so I had to sand it down and paint it black

[juGGernaut]

well i have been doing alot of research on the subject over the last few days.. i don't find this that difficult, but then again i am a mechanic and have built my last 2 computers doing tons of research.. thank you all for your input.. it helped, weiner thats a really nice computer.. is it really worth water cooling, or is it basically just a eye catcher, and a personnel preference? or does it cool alot better then air? this is the question i really wanna know, is air better then water in your opinions..

[Armstrong]

Water is better than air but only if you are overclocking.

Edit: fixed

[Uthanak]

Air is just plain better IMO

[Lactose The Intolerant]

water cooling is better if you plan on doing some heavy overclocking because you can remove more heat away from the processor.
If you don't plan on overclocking like crazy then air cooling is better for you

[baggedmazda]

that is just like my old dragon sever case mine was bigger but i do spy a corsiar hx520 u sir have fine taste in supplys i have the 620 my self now after having to reserect my parents computer with my supply they kept mine and got me a upgrade.

As for water what do you want to get out of it?

Too me ~$300 to lower my temps maybe 10 degress is not worth it yes it is quite but you can also grab some dynamatt line the case and put rubber on fan mounts to take that sound out.

If i was to water cool i would go thru dangerden.com they make the best "kits" its just bundled parts that are some of the best out there

Air never leaks on parts and frys them and does not grow slime if not properly taken care of it just is a little noisy

[FANCYPANTS]

Meh, IDK...personally I would never use water cooling. IMO, it's not really all that much better than a big case with lots of airflow. All my stuff is over-clocked, dual vid cards that are over-clocked, etc. and i don't use water cooling. Never had a problem with anything over heating ( My case is the Cooler Master CMStacker 830 and I have 5 120MM fans in it), everything is nice and cool.

Man i am right there with Uthanak... Water cooling looks cool, but you can get an air cooling setup that is just about as cool. It costs a lot, and god forbid you never have a leak (ask armstrong). I have an air cooled PC with a GREAT OCing MOBO. I oc'd my chip from 2.6 ghz to 3.8 ghz....not joking:) I don't think water cooling would get me any faster, but it sure is flashy!

[EL_Mariachi]

Watercooling does not necessesarily mean better cooling. I have made comparisons myself with many setups and blocks, rads, pumps and so on. The only time the watercooling really shines is when I overclocked the cpu and find its max potential at a vcore of 1.6. With watercooling I am not afraid to go that high of a vcore, compared to air cooling. You can actually find some of the best aircooling for the cpu now a days, they do a very decent job keeping the cpu cool, add to that by placing fans in a push pull configuration on a case. Ease of use for aircooling is the greatest advantage over watercooling, not to mention price. Check this review from Extrme, it wil help.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=158187

[juGGernaut]

well i don't believe that with a good setup and some moderate overclocking that air is same as water... plus i want to tackle the mod of water cooling... think it will be fun and it will go to my next computer also..


little fyi for everyone.. I have a career that puts me in the ocean quite often.. so i must know alot about it and to survive in it, so.. if a person were in water for a long period of time they would get hypothermia, colder water faster then warmer water... but you will last longer if lets say you got on your boat if it capsized, meaning you got on the bottom of it. so with that being said i don't believe that air is cools same as water.

and if its price that your talking about, then yea maybe its not worth it, but it would be a cool mod:D

[EL_Mariachi]

Please keep us posted on your final list of hardaware and progress on your watercooling build/setup. I have not done any tweaking or building with my rigs in the past year or so, I just wanted to finally use the system for gaming for a change. I'd like to see how you use the cooling system on your rig. And if you ever have a question on the build, I'm sure there are many who can lend a hand.

[Col. Bat Guano]

little fyi for everyone.. I have a career that puts me in the ocean quite often.. so i must know alot about it and to survive in it, so.. if a person were in water for a long period of time they would get hypothermia, colder water faster then warmer water... but you will last longer if lets say you got on your boat if it capsized, meaning you got on the bottom of it. so with that being said i don't believe that air is cools same as water.


Water cooling is not full immersion like the person in your analogy. It only conducts heat away from very limited points in the system.

I've thought about it a lot, and the problem I have with water cooling is that it is high cost, high maintenance, and has a higher risk of failure for very limited results. People have always touted water cooling for better and quieter cooling. In the end though, you still have as many or more fans running so it isn't any quieter, and especially since they started using heatpipes, the best heatsinks are now better and cheaper than a lot of water setups. The other thing is that when people started water cooling, the main source of heat was the processor. Cool that and your job was done. Nowadays, the processors are actually using less power, there's the north and/or south bridge chips, the memory, and especially the graphics card that needs extra cooling. Each extra item you try to cool with water adds to the cost and complexity and therefore the risk of failure. I have aways wanted to try it, but I have never been able to convince myself it was worth it.

[R@V3N]

Cooling is all about surface space. In the example given the persons entire body is in contact with the water. When it comes to water cooling for a computer you need a system that give you the most surface contact to get the most cooling. I have not done allot of research on water cooling due to many of the reasons already listed in this thread but for fans I highly recomend THIS ONE (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3071635&CatId=493)